the one thing the guy that said that me say "what?".  he said "just because she did this one thing doesn't ruin the family atmosphere at the game, families should not be afraid to come to the games. the spectators should just laugh it off". 

ok, how far have we fallen in our society that we need to just "laugh off" a women showing us her chest in front of kids? do i have a problem with a woman showing off her wares in an adult forum, no.  but if my boys were at that game and saw that, i would be pissed.  and the fact that this guys thinks we need to "laugh it off" makes me angrier.  he is not the one that has to go home and try and explain that.  he is not the one thats gonna get the 8,000 questions about it.  so, yes i think it is wrong and it would been something i would not just laugh off.

do I think she should have done it ?  *shrug* I personally neither condemn it nor do i think it is a great thing ...  

but I am a little sick of people expecting everyone else to "behave" like you want your kids to..   people are going to behave like idiots..  if you don't like it, avoid places where people are more likely to do so..    you would have took them to a professional game where alcohol is served and people are well-known to act like fools and idiots and brawls can happen...  it is not like it is unheard of for bad behavior to happen at games...    and expected that none of the thousands and thousands of people will do something kid inappropiate ?

pro and college games are attended and intended primarily for adults...    yes, they allow kids to come through the doors too, but it is not the local arcade or a disney movie where kids are the primary purpose..   it is your choice whether you want to bring your kids there or not to a place where adults are and many adults are going to let out the stress of the day...     adults are going to be idiots.. 

it is not the rest of the world's job to walk around thinking--  "is what I want to do appropiate for tardyturtle's kids ?" ..   it is your job to be the one thinking--  "is the behavior at this place likely going to what i want my kids exposed to?"  and then weigh the risks and make the choice whether your kids will be there or not..  sometimes you will be wrong, but unless you stay at home all the time, it is going to happen sometime that someone will do something that you don't approve of your kids seeing.

if this had been a Chuck-E-cheese or a disney movie, then I would be a lot more sympathetic to the idea that kids ought to have somewhere to be kids..   but pro games are not a kid's playground or a disney movie..  they are full of adults who are going to run the spectrum of morals, sobreity,  fondness of using negative language and types of days they are having, not to mention need to blow off steam in what seems at the moment to them as harmless manner...

should she have been arrested ?   sure, because it was against the law....    but you can be arrested for that without a kid seeing you...      but I am also not going to condemn her just because she did something that parents didn't like.

wow...didn't know i was going to get a diatribe.   but ok.....a professional or college sporting event SHOULD be a place where a person can take their kids and not expect to see a woman flashing her chest on the jumbotron.   now if i take my kids to Mardi Gras, thats my own fault because i know that women flashing their chest are part of the celebration, hence i don't take my kids to Mardi Gras. 

i don't expect the rest of the world to do what is appropriate for "Tardy Turtle's kids".  i do expect them to do what is decent and right in the midst of children....that does not seem like a huge to ordeal to undertake. 

actually, i probably should not even be replying because your ideas make absolulety no sense whatsoever.  the fact that you think a women baring her chest at NBA game "no great thing" just adds to my theory.

Many professional teams try to actively recruit families and kids to come to the games.  Kinda like when MLB does giveaways, aimed at kids-like kid's batting gloves and the like.  I know in Major League Soccer the teams have promotions like "family and Faith day" and also market to church youth groups, youth soccer leagues and try to market a family atmosphere.

So as a parent of 2 five year olds who have attended at least 8-10 professional sporting events- no I dont expect people to behave as I would like my children to, I am adult enought to explain to my kids that certain behaviors others do are not appropriate and I dont want them acting that way.  However there are things that cross the line, and this is something I wouldnt want my daughter or son to see.

Basically if these sporting events are marketed to families, people are expecting them to have a family atmosphere, and i know they cant stop everyone, but cause people are idiots, but they do need to respond.

lol..   pro games have cursing and drinking and drunk people and brawls are known to happen..  not sure what games or sections you go to but I am used to hearing curse words and kid-inappropiate comments by drunks or idiots..

so yes, nudity is not a common occurance..   but the idea that it is a kid-friendly place by most standards ?    I find that a stretch..    

and as such, having taken your kid to a place where there is a lot of this conduct,  I think the parents should be looking in the mirror a little if they suddenly are getting outraged and saying "oh no, the kids..."

based on the comments I am used to, if it was a movie, it would be at least PG-13..  which means if you are taking a kid under 13 to these games,  you are taking a chance anyway..

as for kids over 13...    well, if a naked female is a new thing to your boys that they have no basis for understanding and so you have to explain it to them...    and they are over 13 and they don't know what one (naked woman) looks like..   well, way to go !!!   you have accomplished a heck of a feat...

in some ways, it is like going to a horror movie.. you may not know that there will specifically be a leg cut off or a head, but you ought to realize that there will be blood and violence and if you think your kids are too young for violence and blood, then don't take them..      you may not realize that they will show a bloody leg on screen in that particular movie, but it is reasonable to realize that there is going to be a better than usual chance there will be something in it that you ought to think about..    so if you let your kids go to a movie called "death at camp gore", you take your chances...

yes, nudity is rare at games.. but are you saying all the rest of the normal stuff is what you want your kids to hear ?

so kick the woman out, maybe have her arrested if needed...

but the idea that this is truly a kid-friendly environment ?   it is not going to be.. so unless you create a special section and cut it off from the rest and only have kids there, it is not going to be..

is nudity worse than normal ?   *shrug*     I personally think people should be more worried about the angry hateful words of people around kids that often are like sponges than they should with a woman's chest which I do not think is evil or good, it just is...    but whatever...

I do however take offense with the idea of people saying that games are kid-friendly...  

and what exactly should have been done ?  she got arrested..    so what else should have been done ?   what is wrong with saying  "she was punished, there is still a game going on, let's move on"..    does the whole game have to go to the background for the rest of the night ?

maybe the term "laugh" was not the best by this guy but I agree with his basic idea.. it happened, they took care of it,  there was punishment, now let's get back to the original point of the evening which was either the game or hanging out with people, whichever you go to games for..

cursing and drinking at a game i understand.  yes, i know when i take my kids to wrigley field the guy 4 rows behind is gonna get three sheets to the wind and start dropping four letter words at the ump...do i like it, no.  but he also isn't whipping his penis out to show my kids either.

if you look at the marketing of most sports team...its aimed at families, not single males looking to see women's chests, thats what strip clubs are for.

so basically, what you are saying is that its ok for a woman to flash a 13 year old boy on the street or jumbotron or anywhere else because.....he is 13, he has probably seen these already....so its "no great thing" to show him some more.

no, I am saying that the parents took their kids to a place where all kinds of typically-definedas-kid-inappropiate conduct is common..  yes, something out of the ordinary happened.. 

you walk into a bar known for violence..  sure, most of the time, all you see is a fight and some blood...   one day, you watch as someone gets beat a little too hard and they die..       is it a common occurance ?  no..  is it worse than the normal ?  yes...     but I take a little offense at the idea that you should wash your hands of it and say "all I expected was to see some violence, not a death" and act like you shouldn't have realized it was a lot more likely to happen there than it was at some tame little kids restaurant...

teams can do all the advertising they want, but it is up to the parents to have a little common sense and realize that there is cursing and screaming and energy-packed testorone-packed moments and that there will be drunk people through-out the stands...

so when one of these drunk people goes too far.. yes, they should be punished..  yes, they are idiots..  but I take offense at the idea that someone should be shocked as if it is totally unbelievable that something like that could have happened...  or that parents and families shouldn't have used a little caution and realize it was more likely to happen at the game than it was at the local opera or sitting around watching bambi...

yes, teams adevertise for families..  but other than removing the fan after they do something wrong, what else do you expect ?   beyond that, it falls to the parents who don't want their kids to see these things to use a little common sense and caution to realize it is more likely at the game...

not the team's fault it happened...   not the jumbotron operators' fault that someone saw themselves on there and reacted in a stupid way...     and the woman got punished..    so where is all this anger going towards ?

and the vast majority of the time, the games are..  or at least if there is nudity, it is very isolated to the point we don't hear about it..

is it likely to be nudity-free ?  yes..   is it likely to be nudity-free ?  yes...      is it AS LIKELY to be nudity free as watching bambi in your living room ?  probably not.. and if not, then that is your issue with whoever is getting nude in your home :)

my basic point here is that they went somewhere where there was a much higher likelihood for misconduct..     there happened to be some.. it was punished...    now people want to dwell on it and get mad at people who take the stance of "it happened, there was a punishment, back to the game"...      

should the team having seen it coming and stopped it ?    how ?  and if you say the team should have seen it coming, then I reply that the parents should have seen it coming too...

so what is the supposed solution ?  are we going to say no more alcohol at games ?  ..  or heck, let's follow the same logic people use to punish men usually..     "it was a woman who showed her breasts..   men showing their breasts is not a big deal..   so we must not allow women to have alcohol at games to lessen this threat and if they show their breasts, they must be banished for life from all games across the country"...

for the record, i think that would be insane.. but I also think the habit of punishing all men and limiting all men because a few are monsters is wrong too...

basically, I am saying..  you want to be mad at the woman who did it ?  fine..    but don't blame society or the team or the stadium or the jumbotron or the environemnt..  you went to a place where it was more likely to happen..  it was your choice..   someone did it and got punished...      now, what is the score and who has the ball ?